Patrick Miron "vs" every-1 else----It ought not be a surprise that each of Thomas’ positions is Completely unguided by the Holy Spirit.

It ought not be a surprise that each of Thomas’ positions is based on a continuation of secular-humanistic-logic. Completely unguided by the Holy Spirit. 




There can only be a single truth per issue [applying logic here], so the position of Thomas seems to be that there was no biblical truth prior to the formation of our  Brethren’s Protestant faith’s [plural], and there newly discovered  and uncovered “truths‘ after a period of about ONE THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED YEARS of ONLY one Faith; the Faith of the Catholic Church. Their first error is again; denial of Christ in the Eucharist, and the FACT that as Jesus Himself assures us;  “I AM God and I AM Present“, He therefore deserves and commands the place of honor afforded to Him in Catholic Practice. That is why the altar if Sacrifice in located front and center. God becomes Preset on it!

Second; on the issue of “authority.” Thomas [and most Protestants] are not recognizing what the Bible ACTUALLY say’s about the Catholic Church teachings Authoritatively, because it alone is Christ Own Church, and the One set of faith-beliefs taught and protected by God himself. The issue is further solidified by the fact that the Bible remains a Catholic Book, in collection, and in origin of the entire New Testament which explains then why God ONLY guides the CC in granting His “FULL TRUTH“, and CORRECT UNDERSTANDING of His Word.

It is extremely important; even vital to recognize that the Protestant claim that the bible; for them, “acts for “as their “god,” This is based on a complete and total falsehood. Because God” is not with them in the same manner He IS with us Catholics. The Bible Alone” then acts as the “only and final authority“, leading Protestants to consistent errors and numerous disagreements within even there own non-catholic ranks.” YET that same “final authority” is NOT fully accepted, and is often rejected, with amazing consistently, as “common self- selectively” is regularly applied on all of their following positions which are taught in the Bible.

1. Only One God; Only One set of Faith beliefs, and Only one church approved, guided and guarded organization as was set up by Christ. [John 14:16-17; John 17:15-19; John 20-19-22; Matt. 28:16-20, Matt. 16:18-19].

2. The Primacy of Peter. Jesus gave the key’s to heavens access to Peter and the CC alone.

3. The denial of the proper place and absolute need for the CC as The Primary and Guided Teacher chosen by God

4. The essential Role of grace , especially “sacramental grace“ in BOTH Faith and salvation

5. Salvation issues and how salvation might be possible [clearly NOT OSAS] which denies God’s Divinity and humanities freewill, mind and intellect.

6. Predestination as part of salvation is NOT God’s way [nor the bibles, IF correctly understood.

7. The Seven Sacraments ALL instituted by Christ [explicitly or implicitly] for our benefit.

8. Forgiveness of Sins and how it  MUST happen, because God Himself say’s so.

9. That reading the Bible while a good thing; OFTEN [as evidenced by the MULTITUDE of Protestant denominations and varying faith-beliefs] ; is dangerous when not done in full-accord with the One Authority guided and honored by God; thee CC. [Mt.16:15-19; Mt.28:16-20; John 14:16-17; John 17:15-19, John 20:19-22; Eph. 4:1-7, Acts 20:29, Rom. 3:2; Jer. 3:15; 1 John 4:4-5;  2^nd. Cor. 11:12-13, All of John chapter six; Mt. 7:21-23, 2^nd. Tim. 4:1-4, 2^nd. Tim.3:16-17, and 2^nd. Peter 2:1-2.] AND THIS IS only A PARTIAL LIST OF BIBLE PASSAGES THEY DO NOT ACCEPT., so it seems foolish to spend more time on this topic.

10.  Traditions: Which is interesting from two perspectives. As the Bible was not completely written until the end of the First Century; and even then, it was not collected or widely available, although some individual writings were referenced from time to time, so the Early Church HAD TO rely on Traditions and personal accounts [inspired by the Holy Spirit [John 14:26] ; and the second point is the VERY Bible, they claim to follow admonishes the early Church to FOLLOW Traditions.

2 Thess. 2: 13-15 “But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God chose you from the beginning to be saved, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth. To this he called you through our gospel, so that you may obtain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.”

2 Thess. 6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is living in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us

“A Changing Church”

Here are the key points that Thomas brings out is this section.

“What the catholic Church believes to be right or wrong changes over the course of time“

The foundational issue remains the same. Lack of right understanding. Thomas seems unable to discern the difference between doctrines and dogmas that cannot change; and church practices which can and do change under the authority of “the key’s” in … Matthew 16:15-19.

The fact that the Mass was mandated to be said World wide in Latin, and was changed by Vatican II to the “common language of the country“ It was a “sin“ prior to this to say the Mass in the Common language of the country.

This is “Church practice” not a doctrine. “The Magesterium approved the sin” Thomas references is one of disobedience to church authority.  Prior to Vatican II changes were approved as is the Right of the Pope and Teaching authority relating to issues of PRACTICE.

Latin became the World wide language of the RCC upon the translation of the Bible into the then “common language” of Latin from Greek and Hebrew. Canon law maintains that Latin is still the “common language “ of the Universal CC and has reinstituted it as a mandatory subject in all seminaries world wide. Also the Use of Latin is NOT forbidden in the Sacred Liturgy, and is even required [but not always obeyed] to be retained in parts of the Mass. [Bishops option.]

Eating meat of Fridays used to be a sin; but is no longer

This too is “church practice.” And it is an agenda driven issue  by those trying to turn the practices of the CC into practices acceptable to the Protestant communities; in the ongoing effort to “become more like them” .. The idea of many progressive and disobedient Bishops, priest and religious to “become more like Protestants, as they refuse to become more like us” remains in MY OWN opinion the GREATEST scandal of the CC in history! Pope John Paul II, and Pope Benedict have endeavored and continue work to bring us back to where we need to be.